Browns/Raiders Trade(approved)

cav_fan2 wrote:

Are you serious? Davis is young (sorry man but 29 is by no means old) and had over 100 tackles again...that warrants continuing to grow...you dont have to trump your previous year's stats to move up my friend (if he did that he would 99 this year)...consistency breeds success...

Please dont come at me with "22 tackles is good for a 3rd corner" crap...thats bull! 80 year old Aaron Glenn had 22 tackles..so the young man doesnt impress me...He shows nothing that even looks like he would ever be more than a 3rd CB and ST player...

If you want me learn how to decifer your coding for your post on Rhodes, you have to give me the Crackerjack decoder ring first! I cant read your mind...you posted that he was gonna be 90, what was I supposed to think?

Did you seriously tell me that alot more people had more than 11 sacks last year? He was a freaking ROOKIE man!! That is ridiculous for a rookie! I told you that I didnt take anything away from Aso, but he has had more time to develop than Wimbley and was still rated lower than he was in 07...did you know that Aso didnt have a single pick in 3 years before last year? Dont you think that matters at all? One "big" season for a 4 year pro doesnt really make them Hall of Famers man...

Please dont insult me Lebron...my argument was right on point...you really didnt come back with anything substantial...it was all the facts that I put out there...

Davis ISNT YOUNG if your saying Davis is young then Asomugha and Howard are in diapers dude, seriously, 29 isnt young. And I didnt say 29 was old either, its just inbetween young and old, its like the average age you could say but CERTAINLY not considered young. Dropping 40 tackles doesnt warrant continued growth and it CERTAINLY doesnt warrent consistency, it warrants inconsistency, look at all of his seasons, they jump like 40 tackles each season, he has lottery seasons basically but wont be higher than 90. And yea Wimblys a rookie, my point exactly, and Howard is a rookie as well. 110 tackles is also sick for a rookie. And did I say Aso would be a hall of famer? Umm no... But it doesnt mean hes gonna be like an 88 player. Your not taking into consideration the team hes playing on and yes you are taking things away from him. And I didnt insult you I said I was disappointed, plus you insulted me so in the post before that anyway so that was basically a hypocritical remark. And you obviously arent a Raiders fan because if you were you would have seen Routt play and know what hes capable of.

Bottom line is how picky we are with trades is ridiculous, ive got the worst team in the league here, sure ive acquired the MVP but look at my D-Line, worst in the league not to mention I lost the #1 pick and didnt improve at any other position (except maybe O-Line). After this trade my CB's will have dropped and my defense will have gone down to mediocre just so I could get a mediocre offense, its ridiculous!

This trade fits what both of us want, clevelands strengthening his O-Line and can convert to a 4-3 defense and really improved his pass defense. While I get to switch to a 3-4 defensive style so my D-Line doesnt seem as brutal.

I could throw in my remaining picks if it means anything but there has been worse trades than this that have gone through, its gotten to the point where im fairly fed up with it. Ive had to go through the BS in the other league with trades being too easilly allowed now I have to go through BS in this league where trades are barely ever allowed. We've had to change almost every trade done so far, like cmon! I realize we dont want a league where we get the Browns effect happening but I dont want to be in a league where im stuck at the bottom just because I like the raiders, give me a break.

lebronzoom wrote:

cav_fan2 wrote:

Are you serious? Davis is young (sorry man but 29 is by no means old) and had over 100 tackles again...that warrants continuing to grow...you dont have to trump your previous year's stats to move up my friend (if he did that he would 99 this year)...consistency breeds success...

Please dont come at me with "22 tackles is good for a 3rd corner" crap...thats bull! 80 year old Aaron Glenn had 22 tackles..so the young man doesnt impress me...He shows nothing that even looks like he would ever be more than a 3rd CB and ST player...

If you want me learn how to decifer your coding for your post on Rhodes, you have to give me the Crackerjack decoder ring first! I cant read your mind...you posted that he was gonna be 90, what was I supposed to think?

Did you seriously tell me that alot more people had more than 11 sacks last year? He was a freaking ROOKIE man!! That is ridiculous for a rookie! I told you that I didnt take anything away from Aso, but he has had more time to develop than Wimbley and was still rated lower than he was in 07...did you know that Aso didnt have a single pick in 3 years before last year? Dont you think that matters at all? One "big" season for a 4 year pro doesnt really make them Hall of Famers man...

Please dont insult me Lebron...my argument was right on point...you really didnt come back with anything substantial...it was all the facts that I put out there...

Davis ISNT YOUNG if your saying Davis is young then Asomugha and Howard are in diapers dude, seriously, 29 isnt young. And I didnt say 29 was old either, its just inbetween young and old, its like the average age you could say but CERTAINLY not considered young. Dropping 40 tackles doesnt warrant continued growth and it CERTAINLY doesnt warrent consistency, it warrants inconsistency, look at all of his seasons, they jump like 40 tackles each season, he has lottery seasons basically but wont be higher than 90. And yea Wimblys a rookie, my point exactly, and Howard is a rookie as well. 110 tackles is also sick for a rookie. And did I say Aso would be a hall of famer? Umm no... But it doesnt mean hes gonna be like an 88 player. Your not taking into consideration the team hes playing on and yes you are taking things away from him. And I didnt insult you I said I was disappointed, plus you insulted me so in the post before that anyway so that was basically a hypocritical remark. And you obviously arent a Raiders fan because if you were you would have seen Routt play and know what hes capable of.

Bottom line is how picky we are with trades is ridiculous, ive got the worst team in the league here, sure ive acquired the MVP but look at my D-Line, worst in the league not to mention I lost the #1 pick and didnt improve at any other position (except maybe O-Line). After this trade my CB's will have dropped and my defense will have gone down to mediocre just so I could get a mediocre offense, its ridiculous!

This trade fits what both of us want, clevelands strengthening his O-Line and can convert to a 4-3 defense and really improved his pass defense. While I get to switch to a 3-4 defensive style so my D-Line doesnt seem as brutal.

I could throw in my remaining picks if it means anything but there has been worse trades than this that have gone through, its gotten to the point where im fairly fed up with it. Ive had to go through the BS in the other league with trades being too easilly allowed now I have to go through BS in this league where trades are barely ever allowed. We've had to change almost every trade done so far, like cmon! I realize we dont want a league where we get the Browns effect happening but I dont want to be in a league where im stuck at the bottom just because I like the raiders, give me a break.

What other picks do you have?

#138 overall (5th round)
#165 overall (5th round)
#175 overall (6th round)
#211 overall (7th round)
#254 overall (7th round)

lebronzoom wrote:

#138 overall (5th round)
#165 overall (5th round)
#175 overall (6th round)
#211 overall (7th round)
#254 overall (7th round)

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I dont think so Zoom. Those picks dont really merrit any real value.

Ok, Ok Lebron...we have never beefed before, and I dont want to start now...

I see your point, but all I wanted to do was get you to see mine...I did it the wrong way...I appologize...I got a little heated for a second...

Im not trying to be too tough on you, I just dont want everyone screwing over the new guy, thats all...

Your a vet of these leagues, and I respect that. That is why I was holding you to a higher standard. If you have an early FA pick and a couple late rounders you can throw in to this deal, I'll approve it...

What do you say?

Throw in #28 FA and a couple of your late round rookie picks...its done then

What if I was to throw in Kevin Booth instead, he should be around 80, hes a RG or LG. I kinda wanted to keep my FA picks because Ive got no depth at RE, LE, DT, FS and WR so I need to pick some up with those picks

lebronzoom wrote:

What if I was to throw in Kevin Booth instead, he should be around 80, hes a RG or LG. I kinda wanted to keep my FA picks because Ive got no depth at RE, LE, DT, FS and WR so I need to pick some up with those picks

He wont be a 80, but I guess it could help and those late picks

lebronzoom wrote:

What if I was to throw in Kevin Booth instead, he should be around 80, hes a RG or LG. I kinda wanted to keep my FA picks because Ive got no depth at RE, LE, DT, FS and WR so I need to pick some up with those picks

I could live with Booth and a few of those late round picks

cav_fan2 wrote:

lebronzoom wrote:

What if I was to throw in Kevin Booth instead, he should be around 80, hes a RG or LG. I kinda wanted to keep my FA picks because Ive got no depth at RE, LE, DT, FS and WR so I need to pick some up with those picks

I could live with Booth and a few of those late round picks

Ok. Sounds good hommies. Lets just take this whole thing as a positive argument. It helped. No hard feeling for non of us. Good job guys.

cav_fan2 wrote:

Ok, Ok Lebron...we have never beefed before, and I dont want to start now...

I see your point, but all I wanted to do was get you to see mine...I did it the wrong way...I apologize...I got a little heated for a second...

Im not trying to be too tough on you, I just dont want everyone screwing over the new guy, thats all...

Your a vet of these leagues, and I respect that. That is why I was holding you to a higher standard. If you have an early FA pick and a couple late rounders you can throw in to this deal, I'll approve it...

What do you say?

yea thats fine, I wasnt trying to be offensive just got carried away trying to establish my point. And for the record I didnt make the offer to Cleveland, he came to me with it. I figured he knew what he was doing because he just made two insane trades (the Stroud one and the Edwards second one) where he got the benefit of

Ok. Zoom just make the adjustments and your good to go man.

The Stroud deal isnt approved IMO...he is worth more that Poole and that 1st rounder in my eyes

But Im not dealing with that one, so I dont know whats gonna happen there

cav_fan2 wrote:

The Stroud deal isnt approved IMO...he is worth more that Poole and that 1st rounder in my eyes

But Im not dealing with that one, so I dont know whats gonna happen there

approved or not, he still swiped Stroud from the Jags with ease.

Just made the adjustments, I think what I put is right, the 2 5ths, the 6th and the 2 7ths and Booth were added right?

done

wrap this pussy up