Best QB all time UNBIASED

mksadng wrote:

lebronzoom wrote:

RpAaVtEsNS wrote:

And Ellis Hobbs' PI call when he jumped infront of Wayne in the AFC Championship was ruled by the league as a mistake by the refs

Colts wont that game by more than 7 though I think

No if i recall they won by 4

that call didnt happen in the closing minutes of the game though, (dont think it did, could be wrong). So theres no telling what could have happened afterwards if thats the case, and it still doesnt hold a candle to the Raiders call

lebronzoom wrote:

mksadng wrote:

Actually it was in the playoffs and BOTH those calls were very very crucial both of them led to EASY TDs on horrible calls and cost the patriots that playoff game and could cost them another superbowl for all i know

I dont recall that play but what was the score at the time, what was the final score and when did that happen?

Ok i dont remember time and stuff but Champ Bailey INT ball in our endzone runs it back Ben Watson comes out of nowhere and LEVELS him at the 1 yard line the ball flys out of his hands and into the endzone SHOULD be the pats ball at our 20 they gave it to the broncos at our 1 they did a QB sneak and went up by 7.

Asante Samuels is covering Rod Smith i beleive im not sure their running up the field on a deep route and the WR pretty much shoves Asante to the ground flags flew everywhere the WR didnt make the catch the ref says Asante Samuels commited pass interference AGAIN the broncos get it at the 1 yard line and run it in for an easy score they now go up by 7 again and the final score is 21-28 im pretty sure that was the final score but im not sure.

So they were actually very crusial and those calls wouldve won the pats the game

mksadng wrote:

Ok i dont remember time and stuff but Champ Bailey INT ball in our endzone runs it back Ben Watson comes out of nowhere and LEVELS him at the 1 yard line the ball flys out of his hands and into the endzone SHOULD be the pats ball at our 20 they gave it to the broncos at our 1 they did a QB sneak and went up by 7.

Asante Samuels is covering Rod Smith i beleive im not sure their running up the field on a deep route and the WR pretty much shoves Asante to the ground flags flew everywhere the WR didnt make the catch the ref says Asante Samuels commited pass interference AGAIN the broncos get it at the 1 yard line and run it in for an easy score they now go up by 7 again and the final score is 21-28 im pretty sure that was the final score but im not sure.

So they were actually very crusial and those calls wouldve won the pats the game

for the record, if the ball is fumbled and rolls out of bounce, its the posession of the last team who had control over it (the broncos) so that wouldnt have really mattered, (im not sure if you meant endzone or OB because it was kinda of clear, and whether or not it was a fumble by bailey is debateable, and was it or was it not a playoff game?). I samuel call shouldnt have been made if that was the case but like I said before I cant really judge on that, I didnt see it happen.

the bottom line is that the call against the raiders without a doubt won the game for the patriots (well about 99% chance the raiders would have won it). Those other plays still had enough time on the clock and such for the other team to make a difference. It was clearly a fumble and when even the person who fumbles the ball admits it was fumbled, you know that a terrible call was made.

Touchdown Jesus! wrote:

mksadng wrote:

Ok i dont remember time and stuff but Champ Bailey INT ball in our endzone runs it back Ben Watson comes out of nowhere and LEVELS him at the 1 yard line the ball flys out of his hands and into the endzone SHOULD be the pats ball at our 20 they gave it to the broncos at our 1 they did a QB sneak and went up by 7.

Asante Samuels is covering Rod Smith i beleive im not sure their running up the field on a deep route and the WR pretty much shoves Asante to the ground flags flew everywhere the WR didnt make the catch the ref says Asante Samuels commited pass interference AGAIN the broncos get it at the 1 yard line and run it in for an easy score they now go up by 7 again and the final score is 21-28 im pretty sure that was the final score but im not sure.

So they were actually very crusial and those calls wouldve won the pats the game

for the record, if the ball is fumbled and rolls out of bounce, its the posession of the last team who had control over it (the broncos) so that wouldnt have really mattered, (im not sure if you meant endzone or OB because it was kinda of clear, and whether or not it was a fumble by bailey is debateable, and was it or was it not a playoff game?). I samuel call shouldnt have been made if that was the case but like I said before I cant really judge on that, I didnt see it happen.

no he clearly fumbled it he got leveled the ball FLEW out of his hands and into the endzone and they gave it to the broncos. And they did matter bcuz both of them are EASY tds which lost us the game

mksadng wrote:

Touchdown Jesus! wrote:

mksadng wrote:

Ok i dont remember time and stuff but Champ Bailey INT ball in our endzone runs it back Ben Watson comes out of nowhere and LEVELS him at the 1 yard line the ball flys out of his hands and into the endzone SHOULD be the pats ball at our 20 they gave it to the broncos at our 1 they did a QB sneak and went up by 7.

Asante Samuels is covering Rod Smith i beleive im not sure their running up the field on a deep route and the WR pretty much shoves Asante to the ground flags flew everywhere the WR didnt make the catch the ref says Asante Samuels commited pass interference AGAIN the broncos get it at the 1 yard line and run it in for an easy score they now go up by 7 again and the final score is 21-28 im pretty sure that was the final score but im not sure.

So they were actually very crusial and those calls wouldve won the pats the game

for the record, if the ball is fumbled and rolls out of bounce, its the posession of the last team who had control over it (the broncos) so that wouldnt have really mattered, (im not sure if you meant endzone or OB because it was kinda of clear, and whether or not it was a fumble by bailey is debateable, and was it or was it not a playoff game?). I samuel call shouldnt have been made if that was the case but like I said before I cant really judge on that, I didnt see it happen.

no he clearly fumbled it he got leveled the ball FLEW out of his hands and into the endzone and they gave it to the broncos. And they did matter bcuz both of them are EASY tds which lost us the game

who got the ball after it was fumbled though?

It was too close to call, there wasn't enough evidence to support that it did go over the pylon so It was ruled out of bounds at the 1...Broncos ball.